Energy and Matter | Positive and Negative | Light and Dark
Jane began a conversation saying…
We are energy!!!
positive and negative
light and dark
spirituality
mind over matter
17:42
Gav
hold that thought, brb…
17:42
Jane
ok
17:42
Gav
well keep telling me more
i'm going to find a quote
17:43
Jane
ok
I cant explain its just
iv been reading the bible but the message i have received from it is not the one the churches give????
if that makes sense
The book is not 100%
17:46
Jane
But im getting all of the above from it
17:46
Gav
i cant find the quote, never mind. tell me more about your bible interpretation
17:46
Jane
ie pos and neg
17:47
Gav
here i found it..
A quote by the great GI Gurdjieff
17:47
Jane
ok
17:47
Gav
"In the universe everything is material, and for this reason the Great Knowledge is more materialistic than materialism itself."
A nice counter point to all the 'everything is vibration' quotes.
the key take-away: 'everything is material'
Gurdjief was one of the most grounded 'spiritual' teachers
just whilst everything is energy, etc, it is also physical
what do you think?
17:49
Jane
one sec let me read it and take it in
hmmm
17:51
Gav
what do you think of the masculine / feminine energy type ideas?
17:52
Jane
pos and neg
17:52
Gav
thinking along those lines has helped me relate to women
their vast ocean of irrational emotional energy is very attractive now lol
where as before it was a nightmare
17:52
Jane
lool
17:53
Gav
the ancient creation stories also discuss the counter forces of masculine and feminine energy as co-creating the universe
17:53
Jane
ok
17:54
Gav
i also find that this extreme between positive and negative or 'good' and 'bad' creates false conflict
for example the bible creates a 'devil' or 'satan'
I think we need to be careful of seeing things in 'black' and 'white'
17:54
Jane
ok
but is that not important
as there is a oppisite for everything
17:55
Gav
i think we discussed before, that there was a St Lucifer, before the Xtian church hijacked the term Lucifer to make it into the bad devil character of the bible
17:55
Jane
in out up down left right light dark?
yeah
ok
17:56
Gav
in fact, this is how politics helps control people
they create 2 main political parties
left vs right
social vs capitalist
but its a false conflict
17:57
Jane
ok
yep
17:57
Gav
the chinese have a good word which we dont have
'mu'
it means 'I don't know'
17:57
Jane
ok
17:57
Gav
I think people should have more 'unopinions' than opinions
people should be flexible and dynamic in their thinking
17:57
Jane
yep
yep i agree
17:58
Gav
always recognise that things are right from a certain context
but wrong from another context
what is good to some people or some situations might be bad in other situations
'it all depends'
Hermes taught about the 'law of polarity'
there is not just 'hot' and 'cold'
there is extremely hot, quite hot, hot, a bit hot, not very hot, warm, cool, cold, quite cold, bloody cold, freakin freezing cold
just as 'everything is energy' and 'everything is material' are both true
Hermes said "all truths are but half truths'
18:00
Jane
stop a min just got to put a dvd on for lil one
yep im back
im confused
18:05
Gav
good
dont try to not be confused
just keep on thinking and playing with ideas
18:05
Jane
now coz i thought that the opposites where important info
18:05
Gav
dont make any premature conclusions
just stay flexible
18:06
Jane
yep
yep
18:06
Gav
it is important info Jane
18:06
Jane
ok
18:06
Gav
really important
but so is the more dynamic and flexible stuff
18:06
Jane
ok
18:07
Gav
for example, one idea I use that fits with the view of extremes is about the possible world, and the current world
18:08
Jane
ok
18:08
Gav
that idea is used in the creative process, to create 'creative tension'
so we can go from where we are to where we want to be
make strong vivid pictures of what we have now, and what we want to have
it helps us develop the energy, motivation and focus to make it happen
I think maybe that's what you are thinking about maybe?
18:09
Jane
ok
yeh
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